Coliform -- USDA - EPA Debunking


Human sewage harms sheep foetuses

The original question to the below listed sludge/biosolids scientific experts was:

Does anyone actually know what a generic coliform is? I ask the question
because it is used for testing sludge and everyone says it doesn't cause
human disease.

It appears that not one of these sludge scientists know the answer. But
they want to
debunk the writer and the study.

Subject: Re: Human sewage harms sheep foetuses
Date: 7/11/2007 10:39:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
From: BynJam
Reply To:  
To: [email protected], FPecar4525, [email protected], SMITH.
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected]
CC: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
gov, [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], gordon.
[email protected], [email protected], Mark.
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
COM, [email protected], Robert.O'[email protected], maureen.
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected]



Mr. Chaney:
It would have been so much simpler, if your, or one of your cohorts had
answered the original question. You might not have wanted to
acknowledge to some of these scientists that a generic coliform is 12
deadly human pathogens:  Escherichia coli, Enterobacter, Salmonella,  
Shigella, Yesinia (Black Plague) and the lesser known, Edwardsiella,
Citrobacter, Klebsiella, Serratia, Proteus, Morganella, and Providencia?

On the other hand, you might not have wanted to admit in evidence you
didn't know?

EPA has made a little joke about its criminal activity of exposing public
health to these disease organisms: “When the news media announce a
"boil water emergency," reporters often speak of a "total coliform
violation." Coliforms are a group of bacteria, most of which are harmless. At
first glance, it might seem strange that a harmless group
of bacteria such as coliforms could cause such commotion. But like police
tape and chalk outlines, coliform bacteria are often found at the scene of a
crime even though they are not themselves criminals.”


Now how can we lead the world in science, if we can not be honest with the
public, or the rest of the world?
Best of regards on your retirement.
Jim Bynum

In a message dated 7/11/2007 8:59:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Rufus.
[email protected] writes:
Dear Mr. Pecarich et al.:

The original discussions had nothing to do with coliforms. I simply failed to
change the topic of a group discussion about evidence of adverse effects
on sheep from use of biosolids on land under the 503 Rule in the US. I am
making no comment and providing no advice about coliforms. Sorry for any
confusion.

Rufus Chaney




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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:22 AM
To: Chaney, Rufus; [email protected]; [email protected]; SMITH.
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
gov; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; gordon.
[email protected]; [email protected]; Mark.
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
COM; [email protected]; Robert.O'[email protected]; maureen.
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
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Subject: Re: Human sewage harms sheep foetuses



In a message dated 7/11/2007 5:07:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Rufus.
[email protected] writes:

Dear Mr. Bynum and others:



Blind copies of group messages in an open discussion such as was being
made in consideration of the UK news article on sheep and biosolids is
generally considered a discourtesy. Those who receive CC copies are
consider potential participants. Clearly any message cannot be considered
a secret, but most follow rules of courtesy in email communications.



I will not address the claims in your message of today because so many of
them are baseless. The science is there if you look for it, and if you don’t
recognize the errors of your claims, nothing I say can affect your opinion.
As we both know from years of antagonistic discussions about biosolids
and composts use in agriculture. We disagree and let us leave it at that. If
others want to discuss the science addressed by the news article and the
body of research on sheep and biosolids, let us continue that discussion.



Regards all,



Rufus Chaney

Beltsville, MD



Make sure you read about the EPA's current efforts to review and probably
amend the cuurent concepts of total coliform and water distribution
systems.  It seems clear that gatekeepers such as Rufus Chaney and
others in the "mindguarding" effort are not recognizing the new awareness
of the inadequacy of the current measurement metrics as well as the post-
wastewater treatment pathogen re-growth and the role of pipeline
biofilms.  A mind is a terrible thing to waste.



Frank Pecarich





SUMMARY: As required by section 9(a)(2) of the Federal Advisory
Committee Act, the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA
or Agency) is giving notice that it is establishing the Total Coliform
Rule Distribution System Advisory Committee (TCRDSAC). The purpose of
the TCRDSAC is to provide advice and make recommendations to the
Agency
on revisions to the Total Coliform Rule (TCR), and on what information
about distribution systems is needed to better understand the public
health impact from the degradation of drinking water quality in
distribution systems. EPA has determined that this Advisory Committee
is in the public interest and will assist the Agency in performing its
duties as directed in the 2006 EPA Appropriations Act.
For the revision effort, EPA would like the Advisory Committee to
advise the Agency on how the rule could be revised to improve
implementation and strengthen public health protection. For the
distribution system issues, EPA would like the Committee to evaluate
available data and research on aspects of distribution systems that may
create risks to public health and consider how to address the risks.
TCRDSAC will be composed of approximately 16 members who will serve
as representative members and regular government employees (RGE). In
selecting nominees for a balanced committee, EPA will consider
candidates from EPA, State and local public health and regulatory
agencies; Native American tribes; large and small drinking water
suppliers; consumer, environmental and public health organizations; and
local elected officials.
Copies of the Committee Charter will be filed with the appropriate
congressional committees and the Library of Congress.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Jini Mohanty, (Mail Code 4607M)
Office
of Ground Water and Drinking Water, Office of Water, 1200 Pennsylvania
Avenue, NW., Washington, DC 20460, by e-mail [email protected], or
call (202) 564-5269.

Dated: June 22, 2007.
Benjamin H. Grumbles,
Assistant Administrator, Office of Water.
[FR Doc. E7-12649 Filed 6-28-07; 8:45 am]
BILLING CODE 6560-50-P



Subj: Re: Human sewage harms sheep foetuses  
Date: 7/11/2007 6:53:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
From: BynJam
To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
org
CC: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], Bastian.
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], brian.
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
UK, [email protected], [email protected], Jessie.
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], Robert.
O'[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], FPecar4525


Dear Mr. Chaney:
Planning to involve others in a scheme to debunk the study Human sewage harms
sheep foetuses would also seem to be a discourtesy. I consider it a courtesy to the
potential participants to advise them that they may be getting into a situation that
could be very embarrassing.

You say my claims are baseless! You say the science is there if I look for it! Mr.
Chaney I didn't write the book I quoted from, your name is on the book.  For 18
years I've looked for the science. Lets see what else your are not telling the UK
potential participants:

Think leafy vegetables. United States Department of Agriculture studies (1974)
indicated there could be very serious problems with tobacco grown on land where
toxic sewage sludge was used because of the high uptake of Cadmium. "Chaney et
al. (84)--- observed Cd (Cadmium) content in tobacco to be 15 to 20 ppm at 1 ppm
in the soil, and 45 ppm with 2 ppm Cd in the soil." (1) North Carolina State University
studies found, "3. The bottom leaves of tobacco consistently had the highest Cd
concentrations. With tobacco grown on Norfolk soil at Ph 5.2 and 1.8 ppm Cd in the
soil, the Cd content in the lower leaves averaged 73 ppm compared to 26 ppm in
leaves higher up the stalk."

In one worst-case study conducted by the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the
University of Maryland in Beltsville, Maryland, there was some damage to joints of
cattle from high iron contained in biosolids applied directly onto forages and
immediately grazed. In these studies, cattle were forced to graze forages that were
treated each week with the high iron-containing
biosolids.

* The Beltsville Aerated Pile Method for composting sewage sludge, currently failed
biosolids, was developed. Today, the method is used by more than 160
municipalities.

In a 1979 study, Marsh and Millner (USDA) said, "Spores of Aspergillus fumigatus
have been found to be abundantly present in the outdoor air at a site where large
scale experimental composting of sewage sludge is in progress at Beltsville,
Maryland.

According to a 1973 study done by John Walker, when he was with the USDA in
Beltsville, liming doesn't prevent  regrowth of Salmonella. When John Walker
(USDA) and a colleague conducted experiments to determine what would happen to
disease organisms in limed soil, they found Salmonella organisms even at the
highest lime levels, which indicated that Salmonella had regrown when the pH
dropped. (p. 46)

No one is talking about the fact liming sludge creates Hexavelent chromium by
turning chromium 3 into chromium 6.

USDA's Beltsville research center has been a Superfund site since the 80s.  

Why would you want help in debunking a study when USDA has already proven the
danger?
Best regards,
Jim Bynum

In a message dated 7/11/2007 5:07:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Rufus.
[email protected] writes:
Dear Mr. Bynum and others:

Blind copies of group messages in an open discussion such as was being made in
consideration of the UK news article on sheep and biosolids is generally considered
a discourtesy. Those who receive CC copies are consider potential participants.
Clearly any message cannot be considered a secret, but most follow rules of
courtesy in email communications.

I will not address the claims in your message of today because so many of them are
baseless. The science is there if you look for it, and if you don’t recognize the errors
of your claims, nothing I say can affect your opinion. As we both know from years of
antagonistic discussions about biosolids and composts use in agriculture. We
disagree and let us leave it at that. If others want to discuss the science addressed
by the news article and the body of research on sheep and biosolids, let us
continue that discussion.

Regards all,

Rufus Chaney

Beltsville, MD


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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:08 PM
To: Chaney, Rufus; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; Bastian.
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; brian.
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
UK; [email protected]; [email protected]; Jessie.
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Robert.
O'[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Human sewage harms sheep foetuses

Mr. Chaney:

You should know there are no secrets anymore. As I understand it, you prophesied
this some 20 years ago,

when you said it would take 20 years for the harm to show up. I take your answer to
mean you have no idea what a generic coliform is. http://thewatchers.
us/Coliform_where-are-scientists.html

As you can see, it is sad to see recommendations based on misinformation and too
little research.

I am glad you mentioned the Guide to the 503 Risk Assessment, which you helped
write. I am still wondering what the purpose was. After all, you stated on page 110
there was no science involved.

According to the document,,the sludge health risk assessment was only based on
looking at 13 organic chemicals which were either already banned, no longer
manufactured or restricted for use. These were dropped from consideration in the
rule.

The document  ignored a large list of chemicals known to cause death, cancer and
other bodily harm through the air, water and food chain.

EPA has admitted (1989) there are at least twenty-one carcinogens (cancer causing
agents) in sludge which were removed  from the final 503. (FR 54,p. 5777).

In spite of its own research, the document said it did not consider any of the cancer
causing hazardous metals in sludge to be cancer causing agents for the risk
assessment. See below.

EPA has admitted (1989) that five of the admitted twenty-one carcinogens in sludge
are carcinogenic when inhaled in dust --  Arsenic, Beryllium, Cadmium, Chromium IV
and Nickel. (FR 54, p. 5777)

In spite of that, EPA said in 1993, The Agency concluded that Congress intended
that EPA develop the part  503 pollutant limits for a broader range of substances
that might interfere with  the use and disposal of sewage sludge, not just the 126
priority pollutants"?    (FR. 58, 32, p. 9327)

EPA  listed 25 pathogens which it claimed only caused gastroenteritis, including part
of the coliform group, but forgot to included some very deadly bacteria and viruses.

I hope you have a nice retirement.

Best

Jim Bynum


In a message dated 7/10/2007 1:34:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Rufus.
[email protected] writes:

Dear Mr. Bynum:

I recall your antagonistic view of biosolids, and note that your question is not related
to the topic of discussion. In addition, you were not copied or addressed by the
original messages. Last, I believe you know how to find the Guide to the Risk
Assessment, and other UW-EPA documents about use of biosolids. The several
documents at the EPA biosolids website clearly answer your questions about
coliforms, and I refer you to this complete source of such information for answers to
your question.

Regards,

Rufus Chaney




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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:24 PM
To: [email protected]; Chaney, Rufus; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; Bastian.
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; brian.
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
UK; [email protected]; [email protected]; Jessie.
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Robert.
O'[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Human sewage harms sheep foetuses

Gentlemen,

This was some interesting research as well as interesting comments. Which brought
a major question on sludge research to my mind. Does anyone actually know what a
generic coliform is? I ask the question because it is used for testing sludge and
everyone says it doesn't cause human disease.

I am looking forward to your answer.

Jim Bynum